Dr. Clayton Hansen Interview Ozone Therapy

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Dr. Clayton Hansen got his start with chiropractic care.  Rapidly after starting a clinic, he found there are some serious flaws in the conventional system of care.  And he was incapable of helping the patients with everything they needed to get well.  

With his new, fully loaded practice, Dr. Hansen has adopted a new paradigm of thinking and bringing a new wave of medicine to the masses.  

Jason DeLeon: Hey Drs. Ozone family, Jason DeLeon here with Drs. Ozone. And I have a treat for you guys today. I have Dr. Clayton Hansen from San Antonio, Texas. He's a chiropractor that has an amazing practice out there. So, I just wanted to present him to you guys, let him talk to you about the way that he's doing medicine and has just some awesome ideas out there and running a successful clinic. But without further ado, Dr. Clayton Hansen.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Hey, Jason, thanks for having me.

Jason DeLeon: Absolutely. Man, again, just kind of, and I'll give you guys a little bit of backstory, the audience. I mean, I've met with Dr. Hansen before, talked to in person. I was kind of blown away by his practice. I felt like they're doing some awesome things there in San Antonio. But he kind of just stuck out in my mind because I see his Instagram posts and just the other things that he has going on social media wise, and just kind of draws me to that practice. And I know that they're really taking care of a lot of awesome people down there.

So, as I'm going through my list on people that I want to interview, he popped up. But Dr. Hansen, if you can kind of just give me a rundown of what all you guys do at your practice there to start off with, excuse me.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, I mean, generally speaking, I'm passionate about developing a new wave of healthcare. I think everybody in kind of our sphere wants to change healthcare. Me, I think we need to not only change the contents of healthcare, but also the format of healthcare. It's not just what we do. It's not just replacing pills with supplements and nutrition. It's an entirely new way of doing things. And so, that's something that I'm really passionate about.

My background is in chiropractic. And I really appreciate that because of the philosophy it gave me. But pretty quickly into practice, I opened up a private practice here in San Antonio, 2011. And I mean, pretty quick, patients will tell me, "Hey, Dr. Hansen, you're my doc, tell me what to do." And I was kind of stuck because I didn't have the licensure to fully take care of them.

And so, I was dependent on, "Well, I need you to go get some blood work and I need you to do these things. And then, we'd get you healthy, but you don't need the medication anymore. But I can't take you off the medication. And really, you could do some IV therapy, but I can't deliver it."

It was a tricky and frustrating situation. So, a few years back, I integrated my practice and brought in a full medical team and really opened the door for us to take the best of both worlds, to keep that really healthcare proactive inside out sort of philosophy, but then also bring in, have the licensure to be able to do whatever it is that we need to do, whether that's regenerative therapies, IV therapies, ozone therapy, which we love to functional testing to, I mean, you name it.

So, the practice is kind of split into two departments. We have the physical medicine side, which is where we still do chiropractic, but also a lot of rehab, regenerative therapies, from PRP to stem cells to ozone. We do a lot of joint therapy to that sort of stuff. And then on the other side, we do functional medicine. And functional medicine, for people who aren't familiar with it is, I just think that's kind of like, if you're health conscious, functional medicine is what you imagine healthcare should be.

And so, it's a very good mindset. It's kind of taking that philosophy and applying it to conventional medicine. It focuses on the cause. It takes a kind of a more systematic approach, treats the person holistically. And in our functional medicine department, we use a lot of functional testing, a lot of nutritional work. We do, of course, supplementation, protocols for the gut, for adrenals, for the immune system. We do a lot of IV therapy, and ozone is one of our favorites. But we do megadose vitamin C up to 100 grams at a time, that sort of thing.

And honestly, it's a lot of fun. And more and more, I just think, again, we all have something in mind for healthcare. And I think we've got a lot of great content at the clinic. But also, I think we've got something really great going with the way that we're delivering that and kind of the undertones that maybe you don't see on the surface, but you recognize when you get in, het, this is a totally different experience.

Jason DeLeon: And yeah, and that's kind of what I've seen from your social media. It's just the continuing kind of education and pushing people towards learning on things outside of traditional medicine and pills and so forth. So, that leads me to my question here for you is how are you guys having these conversations? Let's say I'm a new guy to functional medicine walking to your practice.

I kind of like what I see, but how do you get people or what are the conversations? How are they going when you bring in somebody new off the street that wants to learn about how to get off their statins or how to get off these medications that have been kind of put on them for years to treat chronic medicine when we know that, or chronic treatments, chronic conditions, excuse me, to treat chronic conditions with medicine, when we know that's honestly not the answer. So, that's my question is what do those conversations look like?

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, kind of high level, of course, there's, again, changing the content, we have to do a lot of education. So, we have to kind of teach people a new way of looking at things. And if it's a statin, we have to teach them, "Hey, here's what actually the research shows about cholesterol. And here's what we actually look at to assess your real risk. And here's how we actually can address the cause of problems."

But then also, we have to have an undercurrent that's pulling people naturally to the right things to do anyways. And that's kind of what I mean by the format of it. And so, if you are in the conventional system, all roads lead to emergency care. And the mindset, and the decision making, and even the way that got people trained when they go in, even if you go in wanting to do natural things, ultimately, the decision making default to, again, cut poisoned burns, sort of thing, pills, surgery, and whatnot, because there's not really any other options for you in that mindset.

So, for us, what people experience is not only the education that helps them kind of get their heads around different content. But then also, we are leading them down a path where there's these other options available. And I was just kind of high level and not real specific. But again, I think their experience is very important from the first time that somebody calls our clinic or a clinic like ours, hopefully, there's other clinics approaching things this way, that they kind of naturally drift away from reactive symptom-based care.

And then, they end up in this new world where, oh, it's just like, this is, I don't know, it's like moving to a different country, it's just a different way of doing things. And you spend a little time there and then just fits.

So, conversations with somebody you mentioned statins, for example, something real specific on that, there's the education around, hey, this isn't ... I had somebody the other day. We posted some test results on, anonymously, of course, on social media. We were talking about some patient case. And somebody messaged me, and they're like, "Well, I eat great and my exercise is great, but my cholesterol is super high, and it just runs in my family."

And so, right away, there's this, okay, well, the issue here is mindset and understanding. And that is the result of conventional thinking. The conventional format funnels you, pushes you into this corner, where that's how people talk. Nothing's working, nothing matters, it's out of my control. So, what do I do? Well, there's only one option at that point. So, take a statin.

But obviously, we recognize there's a lot more to it. We just have to back that person out of the corner first and kind of turn around and show them. Actually, there's this whole other area over here. And I don't know, if it kind of hit kind of your question exactly.

But one example, I had a guy just the other day, came in. The guy is in his 50s. And he's recently about to have a family. So, his wife's pregnant. And he went to his cardiologist. And they had done a CAC, a coronary artery calcium score. And he scored highest I've ever seen, over a 900. Now, the top number kind of your maximum range is 400. So, he's more than double that score. And he's a mess. Of course, his conventional cholesterol pattern is a mess.

And the doctor literally just tells him doesn't even talk diet, exercise, just says, "Here, take this," and it's a statin. And the guy doesn't really like that. But again, it fits the narrative. And so, he just kind of shoulder shrugs, manages to find his way into our clinic, and then we give him an entirely different experience. And so, it's like, okay, well, we do a what's called a cardio IQ. So, we do a comprehensive lipidology panel. We break down the HDL and LDL into subparticles and microproteins and we look at the whole nine yards there and we say, "Actually, here's where your real risk is. And here's how we can fix that."

He's already in active disease process. We're looking at his inflammatory markers. We're looking at a variety of things. And in his case, it's just to me, so emotionally taxing because there's the frustration with the conventional system that just is killing this guy. He's on the brink anyways. And they literally just gave him a statin and sent him home. It's a death sentence. And then, he's got a kid. So, what happens to this kid when he has a heart attack and dies before he even turns 60 years old?

And then, it's a, well, how many more people are there like this who just every single day ... I mean, is he unique? No, that clinic that he went to is full of people every single day that go in there one after another average time with a doctor, seven minutes. Every single one of them go in there, and you think he's the only one that's being told this? It's just bonkers to me.

So, we can turn that around. Hopefully, there's enough time. Every day, it's kind of a worry, like do we start in time to do something for this guy. But he's on a heavy protocol with his nutrition because it does matter. He's on a heavy protocol with his fitness and activity because it doesn't matter. We get them immediately started on much more heavy hitting immediate therapies like IV therapy. We're going to be using ozone with him. He started taking a variety of supplements that are going to be targeting these problems. And yeah, I mean, we'll see. But it's a total mess and statins are just insanity.

Jason DeLeon: Yeah, exactly. So, one of my favorite things about functional medicine is the relationships that you guys build with your patients. That's something that I got to see firsthand working in a functional doc. But as I've branched out into this position, I could just speak to medical professionals all day long in this field. It just carries over. You see the same awesome, just compassion for the person and the whole person, not just the diagnosis that they're running with.

And with that being said, I know that those relationships help build a trust for this kind of preventative maintenance. You mentioned it with, I call it preventative maintenance, but just preventative work that you're doing with the patient you mentioned, the case that you mentioned about him. You have him on nutrition for one. With that being said, with these preventative kind of ideals that you have, what else are you putting in place for somebody like that, that walks into your practice or how else are you looking at them regardless of nutrition? I guess, besides nutrition, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, this, to me, is really exciting stuff. And so, you might have to cut me off because I'll talk on and on and on. But we have a couple things that I've developed at the clinic that I think are really key for this. We have a Venn diagram. So, a Venn diagram is like when you have three overlapping circles, and so that each two circles has a spot and then the three has a spot where they all overlap.

And from a bird's eye, we have a form that we go through with our patients to help them keep a bird's eye view on their healthcare. And those three circles represent one, what you're saying their preventative maintenance, and we have a yearly wellness calendar that kind of walks them through that to make sure all their bases are covered. The other one would be potential problems that they have or areas that need improvement. Maybe that's physically or with their musculoskeletal system, or maybe that's an issue with their gut, or cardiovascular issue. And so, we kind of need to fix something there before we can maintain it.

And then the third circle is what makes life worth living. And that's what do you want to do with your health. You want to get healthy, but why? What are you going to use that for? And I don't care if that's running a marathon or playing with grandkids, or just having energy to go to work and chase your passion. But at the end of the day, we all need to have that kind of purpose.

And so, what happens to people is people tend to bounce around, and usually they end up pulled to whatever is most urgent. And the reality is, even if you have active cardiovascular disease, that doesn't mean you stop brushing your teeth. At the end of the day, you have to have a maintenance routine in place. And for most people, it's just, this is really hard to organize. They've got their own lives to live. They've got jobs. And they can't spend all their time trying to sort this out.

So, we do it for them. We help them with that. We get their input. And then that allows us to see, okay, we're not going to drop that maintenance stuff and we have a routine and a cycle that makes sure that through the year, you're covering all your bases from preventing cardiovascular disease to boosting immune system and leading causes of death, preventing cancer and neurodegenerative disease, all the brushing and flossing type stuff, but for your physiology. And we have routines there and we're not going to drop that.

And fortunately, you see here's the spot where these things overlap with the pressing concern. So, those are higher priority. And here's something that hits your desire to run the marathon as well. So, now we've got approaches that we kind of really dial in on what are going to be most effective, not just for the one issue there, but for you as a whole.

And the wellness calendar is really amazing. Because again, if we're left to our own devices, let's be honest, people are just going to bounce around from whatever hurts to losing weight to getting more energy, and pretty much that's all anybody's going to focus on ever, but that's not healthcare. And it's just kind of our natural tendency. And so, people do that and then, they see some advertisement for like, "Oh, this is going to help you boost your metabolism," and people run over there, "and this is going to help you with, I don't know, with your skin and how young you look," and so, people run over there.

We need something more solid where we can engage with people and kind of keep them focused and know, hey, there's a place for anti-aging, if that's what you want to do and you want your skin to look better. But that's only one of those circles. And we're going to keep everything together.

So, one of the things that's really interesting to think about here is what I call the bottom gear. So, I've got a personal experience with this that kind of solidified this in my mind, but then also from working with high level athletes. So, I was chosen in 2012 and 2016 to go to the Olympics, help take care of some of our USA athletes, which was an absolute blast.

And the energy there is amazing. And you learn a lot from just being around people like that. But what I learned was not what you would expect. People think that an Olympic athlete is somebody who's just pushing really hard and they are just all day long, every day at 100 miles an hour on their task. And people just think they just do more. And that's how they get there.

But the reality is, you would be surprised. If you follow an Olympic athlete around that they're not doing it all day long. They're highly focused. And I'm not saying they're doing nothing, because they're working hard. But it's really their bottom gear that they've developed. And that's what gives them those long-term results. So, let me give you another example, and then I can expound on it a bit more.

I took to running ultramarathons, so 100-mile races. And I wasn't interested in a marathon. I just decided if it's 100 miles, then I'll get excited about that. And it sounds absolutely brutal. And for me, that's exciting. So, I started doing these ultramarathons. And I learned a ton of lessons and I make all the mistakes. And pretty soon, you start to not just figure out how to train, not just the content of training, but the format, the mindset, everything that goes underneath that content. Where does that content kind of naturally come from?

And I started to get that set properly, and it changed everything. And the bottom gear is one of those kind of principles for me. What that means is in a 100-mile race, how fast you finish that really depends on how fast your bottom gear is, what's slow to you.

And for some of these athletes, people are running ultramarathons right now in crazy fast times. But for them, that's their bottom gear. It may seem crazy fast to you. But for them, that's their bottom gear because nobody's sprinting for 15 hours straight, 18, 20 hours straight. They've just developed their bottom gear to the point where they're kind of cruise mode. They're easy. What for you might be just going for a walk, for them it is running an eight or seven-minute mile, and they're just going for a walk. And so, then you start to realize, oh, okay, like now, we're walking for 18 hours. That's still a lot, but much more doable.

And same thing for the Olympic athletes. People just don't realize they've got tons of talent, tons of discipline. They're extremely focused. They're driven. But they've developed their bottom gear over years and years, usually a lifetime of work to where for them, they're performing at an extremely high level, not because they just spent a year doing everything under the sun and redlined it real quick, but because their bottom gear is so fast.

And so, this is something that I think forms a foundation of how we approach healthcare with patients as well. So many patients come in, and they want to just fix it all real fast. And it's so easy as a provider to just say, "Here's all the things that are wrong with you and all the things we need to do to fix those," and cram them down their throat, so to speak, when really the results, we want to play the long game. We want to get these people running the ultramarathon. And what that means is we actually have to develop the bottom gear first.

So, as providers, we tend to give them the high gear, when really what we need is to establish that relationship like you're talking about. We need to start seeing them on a regular basis consistently. They need to be doing things and we need to say, okay, your bottom gear right now, you brush and floss your teeth. You're doing something to take care of yourself. Hopefully, they do at least that. But you're not doing anything physically. You're not doing anything nutritionally. Your sleep sucks. You're not getting any therapy at all. You don't have a team around you. So, your bottom gear is minimal dental hygiene. That's your bottom gear healthcare.

How do we expand that out? And what success to me is, well, kind of coming back to that Venn diagram, success to me is if I can get some of these bottom line or bottom gear to the point where they're following a yearly wellness calendar, which means they're hitting all of their proactive preventative basis on a cycle every single year, we're fixing their problems and we're keeping them emotionally invested in wanting to be healthy, because it's doing something for them. To me, it's all about, okay, how do we develop that bottom gear as high as possible. And that's where you see really see the results in the long run.

And one more thing I mentioned there is the fact that it was a friend and mentor actually that initially taught me about this, but think of how long it takes to develop heart disease. And if somebody is making all the wrong choices for their cardiovascular system, all the wrong choices every single day, is it viable that they might have a cardiovascular disease in 5 or 10 years? Yeah, absolutely.

Actually, the research shows much faster than that, that they start developing it. So, imagine if we took a few months of the year and you focused on reversing cardiovascular disease and preventing it. And those few months, imagine then if we duplicated that every year for 10 years straight, well, now you've spent two, three, four years of time over the next decade, preventing and reversing cardiovascular disease. And is it plausible to think that even if you had a disease developing at that time, within four years that you could reverse it? Yeah, absolutely.

And so, that principle ties right into the yearly wellness calendar where, okay, this year split up, your bottom gear is going to be changing between all the most important areas of your health and building up that bottom gear little by little to where five years from now, 10 years from now, you're running an ultramarathon, you're competing at an Olympic level, so to speak with your health. And that's really where we want people to be. It's not just for Olympic athletes. That's what we want for everybody.

Jason DeLeon: So, that's, man, it's so interesting. So, I do have a question. I mean, I feel like we are kind of geared as humans to wanting to return quickly. You look at sugar, for instance. That's the reason why most of us get strung out on sugar is because if you see a cookie, oh, my gosh, it looks awesome. You eat it. And then you feel like, you're like, "Ah, that's great." Yeah, you're getting stuck in a cycle. It could lead to obesity. But that's the beginning stages of it is wanting something in return quickly.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah.

Jason DeLeon: So, we get people that are used to that and get them focused on the bottom gear is my question.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Okay.

Jason DeLeon: Well, if I imagine.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah. So, sugar is an interesting one because there's so much that goes into that. And I've experienced personally, where overnight, my cravings and desires for sugar changed completely, going from and I grew up on sugar. I eat a lot of sugar while I was running ultramarathons. I stress all of that, I get it. But I've also experienced times where again, overnight, I wake up one day and I realize I don't want sugar. I'm not craving it. It doesn't even sound good. I don't want it. And so, that's a much different place to be. So, what happened there?

Well, somebody comes into our clinic, sugar is going to be ... There's a lot. You get to that Venn diagram, sugar plays into all three of those circles. One, we need to increase the bottom gear and get away from the sugar and on to other stuff on an ongoing basis. So, maybe it doesn't mean dropping sugar immediately. But maybe it means adding in some good things on a more regular basis. So, there's maybe just a quick, easy example of how we start improving the bottom gear, rather than just cut all the sugar immediately, top gear sort of thing.

But then at the same time, maybe that person, we run some bloodwork and we see their hormones are a mess. They're hyperinflamed. They're developing chronic inflammatory or degenerative illness. We got things that we need to fix. So, now, maybe we're doing a little more reactive, sort of, maybe higher intensity sort of work to get that under control, figure out what the cause of that is.

I mean, hormones on their own will dramatically change your cravings. But lifestyle matters, too. And I mean, that's an ongoing conversation in the scientific community about the sugar problem. But at the end of the day, it's pretty straightforward. We know what to do. We know how to correct these things.

And then, the third thing is how is that sugar affecting ... Third circle, how is that sugar affecting your quality of life? Because at the end of the day, if you're happy, say you love going to work, and you've got a great job, and on the side, you like to, I don't know, dance. And so, you do that, and you enjoy it. You feel like life's great. And if you're eating sugar in the process, you don't feel the need to change.

You're thinking, everything's great. I'll just keep in the sugar. So, that third circle is really figuring out, okay, how do we make sure that you continue to enjoy your life and have that emotional quality there, because sugar is going to be sabotaging that. When you have that heart attack, when you start losing your energy, when your hormones are a mess, when this is killing your sleep, and this catches up to you, this goes away. So, maybe bottom gear is in that circle with the sugar thing is helping them tie their mindset to the right thing. I don't know, does that kind of answer your question?

Jason DeLeon: It does. And I think you nailed it whenever you said that you start showing them different food options to replace. So, it's not a top gear, like, let's get rid of sugar all together. It's a kind of, you're just slowly kind of leaving them into the deep end of the pool of the awesome functional world, in my opinion.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: It's both, honestly. Because I mean, the guy who comes in with a CAC score of 900, I'm not going to tell him, "Tomorrow, just try and eat a little vegetable. And the next day, maybe a little more." No, this guy, it's, "Look, man, that kid needs father." And we say it as nicely as possible, "But you're going to stop eating sugar right now immediately. Here's what you're going to eat. He's zero to 100 right away."

So, it's definitely both. It's not that I'm going to try and bottom gear someone out of an emergency because, of course, it's emergency. But emergencies don't mean we forget the bottom gear. That's the point. And that's when we have to always come back to that Venn diagram and say, "Look, the good news is, here's an area where it overlaps. But at the end of the day, again, you've got to keep brushing and flossing."

Just because your CAC score is over 900 and this start pressing concern doesn't mean all the sudden you can destroy your immune system, or stop sleeping, or stop brushing. You can't do that. You can't let your physical body deteriorate with your spine and your shoulders and your knees just because you're focused on this. There's always an emergency. That's the thing. There's always an emergency, always.

You ask anybody and the way that we live our lives is everything's great, here are the emergencies, no in between. So, we have to change that. We have to help them get their mindset around it. And then, what happens is again, naturally, once you see, and again, for us, it's the Venn diagram, but once you start thinking from that place, you get natural action steps that make sense.

Instead of kind of drifting into emergency care, just drifting into this corner, drugs, shots, pills, surgery, but we can open that up. And once people are operating from there, lots more options. Yeah, so I mean, it's definitely both. It's like you can't let that emergency pull you away because you're just going to constantly be pulled away and you'll never prevent anything in your life.

Jason DeLeon: Gotcha.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah.

Jason DeLeon: I'm going to shift gears a little bit and talk about a topic near and dear to my heart, ozone.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yes.

Jason DeLeon: I'd like to know how you guys are using ozone in the regenerative world for somebody who is like an ultramarathon runner. We hear a lot of talk about how ozone is used for cancer and some of these chronic conditions and so forth. But how are you guys using it in particular with some of the higher level athletes and like you mentioned, ultramarathon runners and so forth.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, we've got the USA track and field head coach and a lot of athletes that train here locally we take care of. So, we use ozone in a variety of ways. And again, for me, I don't really differentiate because I look at everybody as "Olympic athletes," they just haven't developed their bottom gear so far. You with me? That Olympic athlete just has their bottom gear to where their walk pace is a six-minute mile or whatever.

So, whether it's the Olympic athlete or the regular person, ozone is something that comes into play in a variety of ways. One, we find amazing results as a regenerative therapy, especially with joints. I can't tell you how many people have come in and said they want to do a hip replacement. I don't want to do that. What are my options.

And we say, "Well, you can do a pretty quick easy ozone injection into that joint or even around that joint. It's inexpensive. You don't have any downtime. You're literally walk out here. it's a quick procedure. We see amazing results with it. And people wake up the next day feeling amazing, and never need the surgery." So, there's kind of that side of things. We love to use ozone therapy as likely IV therapy where we treat blood with it. We see and San Antonio is like allergy central. It's ridiculous

Jason DeLeon: Is it mountain fever or cedar mountain fever. What's it called?

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Cedar, ragweed, pollen, it's insane. And I can't describe how bad it is. It's so bad. And I love everybody here in San Antonio. But if I had known before I moved here, I would have moved somewhere else. It's like one of those things they don't tell you. It's like, oh, San Antonio is great., there's the River Walk, and we've got the Pearl, and we've got this and that. But they don't tell you, and half the year, you're going to be suffering from allergies so bad.

And allergies are tricky. But ozone is really great for allergies. And so, I use ozone therapy via IV for part of my regular scheduled maintenance. That's on the yearly wellness calendar. I'll do a series a few times a year at least. And I'll admit, I had drifted away from that and I've missed a couple. So, it'd been probably, man, six or eight months, I guess since I had done any. And my allergies was just getting worse and worse.

And so, a few months back, I was like, "That's what it is." I got myself scheduled for another series. And it wasn't a lot. It's not like I did 30 IVs. I did like six right over the course of a couple weeks. And then, just night and day where all the patients are coming in and it's, "Doc, my allergies are killing," and they're sniffling, and they're congested, and their throats are a mess. And it's leading to upper respiratory infections and people are sick like it's a mess. And I had zero reactivity to allergies, just zero. Just live my normal life, like the allergens weren't even there.

So, we really leverage ozone a lot for allergies. We use ozone quite a bit for autoimmune conditions, inflammatory conditions. My mom was diagnosed, this is a few years back, she was living in Houston. So, I couldn't see her regularly, but I keep in touch and she was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis and osteoarthritis, all three and just imagine the cocktail of medications that they put her on for that and all the side effects of that and then imagine what her life is like. She can't function at that point. She hit a wall because she literally chooses trying to go get the mail. And she's not incapable.

She's an active woman. She can get around. But she's so drugged up in such a mess, she tries to just go get the mail, she has to stop halfway and turn around because she feels just so horrible. That was her life. Well, she finally ends up moving here to San Antonio. So, I'm like, "Great, you're coming to the clinic. You're going to pretty much live in the clinic, Mom. We're taking care of you, anything we need to do."

And we tried a number of things, but we quickly realized ozone was the most effective thing for her, with how she felt the regular ozone treatments not only got her off all those medications, got her feeling great. She had joints, like her shoulder, for example, had swollen up so far, it was like a balloon, just one of the most swollen joints I've ever seen from all the arthritis and the fluid accumulation, and then the medications, just making everything wonky.

We used ozone on that, got that down to normal, got her range of motion back in her shoulder. She felt great, got off all the medications, pain free, was just totally different. And, not kidding you, it was essentially ozone. Ozone just did all the heavy lifting with that. And she's one of those cases where ozone was just absolutely amazing.

So, again, I don't know if I'm rambling here, but ozone is really great. And it's very cost effective. And it's one of those things where I just think, okay, if it's this good in more emergency reactive type situations, well, then we should be figuring out how do we use this proactively. How do we use this in a preventative format, so we never end up there in the first place? And how do we get this in that first circle of the Venn diagram, the yearly wellness calendar, and what's the routine there.

So, physically speaking, maybe that's a once you reach a certain age or hit a certain point, depending on your activity level, maybe once a year, we're going to do knees, shoulders, hips, and do some ozone into all of them to keep those joints in really great shape. And just imagine turning 80 and having great knees, shoulders, hips. And just imagine if that only took 30 minutes a year to accomplish. And just imagine you go in somewhere quick, easily, relatively painless, knee, knee, hip, hip, shoulder, shoulder, and then you feel great, and you never have to worry about that.

Or just imagine, you're diagnosed with something, but you do a series of ozone IVs on a regular basis and you keep that inflammation down and you feel great, and you oxygenate the blood, that sort of thing. So, we do the same thing.

Again, same thing with our Olympic athletes, they're performing at an extremely high level, which means we take everything seriously, it matters. And let's make sure that inflammation isn't getting away from them. Let's make sure those joints are in good shape. We have to time it a little differently for them because we can't interfere with the stringent training routines and whatnot. But yeah, same approach overall.

Jason DeLeon: It's awesome, man. Yeah. So, I shared this with you off camera, but I was a big car guy. And the car always got the very best of the best, the best gasoline, the best oil. But it was all designed for preventative maintenance. That's the reason we do that. You could drive the car fast, hard, and you knew you weren't going to break anything.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah.

Jason DeLeon: With people, it's awesome that you guys are kind of thinking ahead and kind of going, hey, let's look at what scheduled ozone injections look like or scheduled ozone IVs are in the series like you mentioned in your diagram. I think that's a great thing that you guys are kind of just changing the mindset of your patients to, let's work on you not breaking anything, and you work on kind of just long term, the long game, like you mentioned. So, that's just an awesome thing.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Think of it this way, say today you're diagnosed with cancer. What do you do differently? And everybody has a list. And everybody says, "Well, yeah, I'm going to cut out the sugar. And I'm going to start exercising." Everybody knows, even if they don't know anything about health, they have an idea of some things they should be doing. So, it begs a couple questions. Well, one, why aren't you doing those? Because chances are, you're going to end up with ... We know what people are dying from. You, me, everybody else. It's not a mystery. We're dying from cardiovascular disease, cancer or neurodegenerative disease.

Personally, I hope I just have a heart attack and die because I do not want a neurodegenerative disease or cancer. But at the end of the day, we know what it's going to be. If you were diagnosed with that problem right now, you know you would do things differently. So, rather than me say, "Well, you need to do those things then." What if we just took those things and put them in a routine, where once a year, you're going to spend a couple months as if. And it's going to be bottom gear development. So, it doesn't feel like this big stressful thing. But we're going to come at this from a real healthcare standpoint where we can make big impact in the long term.

Jason DeLeon: And I saw this personally. I told you this before. But I worked at a clinic where we took on patients that had an active cancer diagnosis. And as they would get through and go through their journey and come out cancer free, there was many of them that said that that was the very best thing that happened to them, because it changed their life and their thinking. It also changed their family's life. They are now eating healthy. They're now doing all these things, like you said that they should have been doing in the first place.

So, again, I got to witness that firsthand. And I remember that now as I'm going along and kind of working on my own health and so forth that, yeah. And again, that's just a great thing you guys are doing that and kind of trying to frame that mindset to them, to your patients as they come in. And yeah, more people need to be doing that in my opinion.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Imagine one of your teeth is just totally rotten and you have to do root canal and crown and this and that, and whatever. You're going to just be spending 10 grand at the dentist, ridiculous. And the trauma involved and the emotional toll, all the energy that goes into that. Well, keeping energy healthy in the first place doesn't cost 10 grand and it doesn't have that toll. So, you could just brush and floss for like pennies on the dollar. And that's your bottom gear.

And engagement is big for this. So, this is one thing I guess, for anybody listening who's not a provider, well, anybody who's listening, providers, too, but if somebody never brushed their teeth their whole life and they're 50 years old, and they told you, "I don't brush and floss and I never go to the dentist," everybody would cringe. Everybody, the back of their head would just be like, "Keep your mouth closed, I don't even want to see, disgusted."

If it's emergency care, that is the right mindset. If you never go to the emergency room and you never have to get any care your entire life, that's success. Hopefully, nobody ever has to go to the emergency room. But when it comes to healthcare, that's completely wrong. So, like working out. People think about that very differently. Because if you go to the gym five, six, seven days a week, and you brag about that, and people admire it. "Oh, that's awesome. You go to the gym all the time," high level of engagement with healthcare, very good thing. High level of engagement with sick care, emergency care, bad thing.

So, we have to decide, where are we. And patients need to act accordingly. Because for me, we are firmly on the healthcare side, which means we're going to see you very regularly. Like you said, we're going to have a relationship. We're going to know you inside and out. We're going to develop these this bird's eye view of your care. We're going to be very proactive with you. We're going to be just high levels of engagement. And that's success.

And so, if somebody is still stuck in that emergency mindset, and they're thinking, "Well, I only go to the doctor once a year for my annual and he says everything's fine," they're really missing the mark there. I mean, how often do you go to the gym? How often do you brush and floss? How often should you be engaging with your healthcare team to make sure you're steering clear of the leading causes of death, to help you keep tabs on things, to help you just learn and change your mindset to the way it should be so this stuff's natural.

High level engagement is really, really important. And I think most people, they think high level of engagement is a few times a year. I mean, I could easily see somebody seeing us a few times a month indefinitely for real consultation work, like guidance, proactiveness. Yeah, I mean, engagement is a really big one.

Jason DeLeon: Well, again, I really appreciate you coming on. I really appreciate your talking just about all this. I know this is something you're extremely passionate about. I could hear it. I've talked to you on the phone. I know it. I've seen you in person, heard you talk about it. So, I just love the fact that you're sharing all this with us.

If you had a doctor that wanted to shadow you or a patient that wanted to get a hold of you because they wanted to come see you in your practice, what would be the best way to get ahold of you? Through email or through your website?

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, our website is Hansen Health Solutions, H-A-N-S-E-N, hansenhealthsolutions.com. We are on social media @HansenHealthSolutions. I'm on social media as D-R, Clayton C-L-A-Y-T-O-N, Hansen. Email is great. You can email us at reception@hansenhealthsolutions.com.. But yeah, we're here in San Antonio, happy to help. We do virtual work. Can't do IVs virtually, can't do ozone virtually. But yeah, we're here and accepting patients at this point or I'm always happy to chat with people if they reach out and whatever we can do to help guide him in the right direction.

Jason DeLeon: Before let you go, I have to ask you about the David Goggins Challenge that you went through. For those of you that don't know, David Goggins is probably one of the most hardcore people on earth. If you're not familiar with him and you're not okay with customers, you probably don't need to check him out. But he is insane. His workouts are noteworthy. They're legendary, excuse me. So, I just want to know, I know you went through that. I follow you on social media. I saw that you went through the David Goggins Challenge. I just want to pick your brains how tough that was.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Yeah, listen, Goggins' bottom gear is the highest of anybody. His walking pace, so to speak, for most people is out of reach. But he's the guy, actually, that inspired me to run ultramarathons in the first place. I had done some other challenges and programs and whatnot. I was looking for the next thing. So, for me, that's kind of the third circle. It's what makes life worth living. And he has a yearly challenge where you run four miles every four hours for 48 hours. So, you're going to do 50 miles or so over a weekend.

But what's tricky is you're not doing it all at once. It's kind of a start-stop thing. And literally, so you start Friday night at 10:00 PM was my first run, and then 2:00 AM for a run, and then 6:00 AM 10:00, 2:00, 6:00, 10:00 all the way until Sunday at 6:00 PM.

And, yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was difficult. But, yeah, it was a really great one. He did it for a great cause. I think he raised a whole bunch of money for ... It raised a ton of money, and then you picked a couple different charities to donate for. So, I was really excited just to be a part of that. And for me, it's really cool that everybody's doing it together. So, everybody had to do it in at the exact same time, which is why I started at 10:00 PM. Other people started at 9:00 or 8:00, or whatever.

And I think of not to keep going back to this, but I think of the yearly wellness calendar the same way. So, that was one of the things that got me into this mindset of, okay, healthcare really needs to be a group effort. And there's something to be said about doing things at the same time in the same way as other people, just like even a workout. If you and your kid are going to go in the garage and do a leg workout and you're doing squats or something. If you synchronize and start doing squats together like there's an energy there that's really tangible, very cool.

And I think we can pull off something similar to that. I felt it with the Goggins challenge. I think we can pull off something like that at our clinic, where everybody's on the same page doing the same things. Okay, everybody's focused on cardiovascular disease right now. Everybody's focused on their immune system and preventing cancer. Everybody's focused on preventing neurodegenerative disease. Everybody's focused on whatever it is. And you're doing the same things and doing it together at the same time. And that's, again, really cool feeling. But Goggins is my idol. I love that guy, was super excited to do the challenge. I'll be doing it every year. And, yeah, anybody else out there who wants to join in, yeah, we'd love to have you.

Jason DeLeon: It's brutal. So, go through that. It was four miles for four ... Go through the one more time just kind of list that-

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Four miles every four hours for 48 hours. So, like 10:00 PM is start time. And so, you run four miles and say you do that in 40 minutes. So, 10:40, you're done running. And then, get showered and cleaned up. And then you have to be ready to run again at 2:00 AM. So, you have a couple hours there to either maybe try and sleep or eat some food, or nursing injury or whatever.

But then 2:00 AM, you've got another four miles to run. So, you could lock it, you could take longer, but then at 6:00 AM, you got to start another four miles. And that was kind of the hard part about this. I'm used to running an ultramarathon and at some point, I just want it to be over. And I think the faster it's done, the faster it's done, and you have some level of control.

With this one, no. It's going to take 48 hours/ You're going to be doing this. It's not going to end. Even if you stop for a couple hours, in the back of your head, you've got pregame jitters. You're anxious to start the next one. You're trying to sleep, but then you barely fall asleep and the alarm goes off because it's time to get ready for the next one. I took 12 showers in two days, that sort of thing. Yeah, four miles every four hours for 48 hours. It's a cool format, very cool format.

Jason DeLeon: Heck, yeah. That's awesome. Man, Dr. Hansen, thank you so much for joining. I appreciate.

Dr. Clayten Hanson: Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah. Hey, I love what you guys are doing. We love the ozone at the clinic. We see really amazing results with it and so glad you guys are out there helping spread the word and training on this stuff and getting in more people's hands.